Tuesday, November 07, 2006

Tortilla Curtain -- Part 2 -- El Tenksgeevee

If you have comments about the second section of the novel Tortilla Curtain -- "El Tenksgeevee" -- post them here. If you did not participate in discussion and did not do two-column notes, your comment is required to get discussion credit for either Wednesday, November 1 or Wednesday, November 8. You should post your comment within 24 hours after the discussion.

11 comments:

Josh T said...

dI really liked this section of the book because it wasnt as confusing as the rest of the book. I didnt like the part when Candidos employer said oh I will pay you tomorrow and meet me on the hillside. I didnt like this part because the employer lyed about paying him I feel as thoughsome kood karma will help Candido and help him try to persue his american dream. My favorite part in this section was when the coyote grabs Osbert and jumps the fence. I liked this because it is bringing some action into the story. My other favorite part was when Candido grabbed that ladies purse. I liked this part because it also brings some action into the story. I didnt like the part when the men say they have a cheap place for Candido to live and take him into a tunnel and beat him up and America. I feel as though this is wrong for the men to do that. I think that Candido could have used a little common sense just looking at them what he could possibly do. I liked the way how the author ends the chapter when Candido and America set the canyon on fire and leaves it open to explain the part 3. This was definatly my favorite section of the book because it was easy to follow and had alot of connections to make.

Chris T said...

I liked this section of the book a lot more too. It seemed like there was alot more things happening. Also there was a ton more action like the part where the coyote took osbert. Also, the part when Kyra encounters those guys trying to sneak into that house. The thing that impressed me the most was when kyra stood up to those guys outside of the house. We also know what those guys are capapble of. One thing that I didn't get was the thing on the guys ankle. It said that it was some sort of paroll device which probably means that he isn't a very good guy to be around. The one thing that confused me in this chapter was the part when Candido started talking about Idaho and Oregon. Maybe he was talking about his past or some bad memories that he had begun to remember again. I thought that the best part of this section was when Candido stole that lady's purse because he neede the money and it was pretty funny to think of him stealing a purse in mid daylight. I liked this section a lot and it was very suspenseful. I hope that the next section is even better.

Erin O said...

Part Two of Tortilla Curtain I think is a lot better as well. I think that since the first part had to introduce all the characters and main events, the second part got much better because it wasn't just learning about the characters, it's more like a movie, where you can just read on what happens throughout with story.
I felt bad when the coyote killed one of Delany’s dogs. I thought it was sad, however I like the relation; the Mossbachers dog to a coyote which, is more from Candido lifestyle. I thought it was funny how Candido stole the woman’s purse in broad daylight, however its sad how it shows how desperate he is, and how much him and America need help. I don’t like how the Mossbachers are taking things for granted where there are families like Candido and America who need the essentials that they take advantage of. I think it's also a lesson anyone who reads this book can learn, that we can't take things for granted its sad how many people die a day because of what they desperately need, which are the essentials’ we barley use.

Morgan M said...

I agree with Josh. This book was starting to get a little dull up until this part where more "action" was put into it. I think it made it more interesting and easier to read. Responding to the poems that were referred to in the fish bowl. At first I didn’t understand Alex’s but now I seem to get that they made the wall however it isn’t safe...? And the "beaner" poem that was said into class did explain exactly what I thought when that word was mentioned. It’s used as a racial slur and I was surprised it was brought up in class however all the cursing in the book this last chapter I guess it’s hard to miss it.

Josh T said...

The discussion I thought that we had in class was very successful. I would have to agree with Phil when he wrote his acrostic poem called "beaner". I felt as if this was a good poem because it summed up the whole chapter and what it was about. Honestly, I didn’t agree with title until he read it so i guess I judged it by the cover. My favorite part in this section was when Candido stole the ladies the purse. I would have done the same thing just to live in America. But I would have done it in a more desperate time of need and a little smarter way. I like the way the author writes in this section because you have to think about what he says he doesn’t really say it straight forward. I liked the style when he describes everything going well for Candido especially when he gets a free turkey for Thanksgiving. Then he talks about Mexico and describes the landscape of it describing cactus, bushes, and tumbleweeds. I feel as though this helps you understand Candido even more like where he has come from. I am very interested in what Part 3 has to bring to this book.

Amy B said...

I disagree with some of the posts when they say that they liked this part of the book better. I did not. To me, the first part of the story kept me more interested than the second. I thought that in this part of the book, life for Candido got harder for the most part. I expected it to get better but in my opinion it did not.
Also, in the class discussion, the guy in the PADRES hat was brought up and Mr. Sale asked what we thought the symbolism of him was. After thinking this over I think that the symbolism of him in the story is that where ever the author talks about him, trouble was near. But in another respect I thought that this symbolism was kind of misleading. The word "Padre" means a chaplain in the military or naval service. When I think of the military or navy, it forms the thought of protection. In the book, that is not what the guy in the PADRE hat symbolizes at all.

Erin O said...

My ticket this week was
Delany's
One out of two "best friends"
Gobbled by a Coyote
My acrostic poem was about when Delanys dog was killed from the Coyote because I thought it was a pretty important part, and it relates to the story, however it's not really occuring at this part. I still think the book is interesting and I still like it however, it's not as exciting as it was in the first part of Part Two. The disscussion I thought was successful but kinda boring. But, I'm exciting to read more.

Anna L said...

I agree with most other people when I say that part 2 of the book was the less confusing. I will admit that I am getting kind of frusteratied with how the book is going though, because so many bad things happen. I felt so bad when Osbert got attacked by the cyote. This time, instead of feeling bad for Kyra, i really felt sympathy for delaney because he is kind of a reflective person who tries to live life like a good person but when Osbert dies its like thats the "last straw" for him. I really want to know why T. C. Boyle writes so many bad things happening to all four of the main characters. In my opinion, it just makes the book more predictable and less intresting to read.

Chris T said...

I thought that this discussion was good because this was one of my favorite parts of the book. I liked it because there were a lot of different things that we talked about. Like the word beaner. I didn't like how this word was mentioned a lot. Especially because every time the word was mentioned it was used towrad either Candido or America. Another thing that I thought was interesting was the aspect of the wall being built out of anger. I don't think it was because most areas where there are really nice houses have gates surrounding thier houses. Also why would the build it out of anger anyways.

Jenn W said...

The question "what does the man in the padres hat represent" was brought up during discussion. Im not sure if Im right but i believe the man in the padres hat represents the sterio types that follow everyone around. For example when the guy in the padres hat trashed candido's camp and wrote "beaners die." That is a sterio type that Candido has follow him around every day.

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