Monday, October 02, 2006

Fahrenheit 451: Final Blog Assignment

Now that you have finished reading Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451, look back at the pre-reading survey we did. This will serve as the basis for your final blog writing about the book.

Choose one of the following statements and decide whether Ray Bradbury, the author of Fahrenheit 451, would agree or disagree with it. Then, write about this idea on the class blog. Use specific examples from the book to support your assertion. Your writing should not repeat the ideas of a previous comment, so be sure to read the ideas already posted. You will receive less credit for repeating ideas than for original ideas. Please complete this first comment by midnight, Thursday, October 5, 2006.

After you have posted your original comment about the book, go back to the class blog and respond to at least one other student’s comment. Be sure to address your response to the student, so that it’s clear who you’re responding to. Your response should support or dispute what the other student said; don’t just say “I agree” or “This is wrong.” Add your own examples to support or dispute the comment. Again, you will receive more credit for original comments than for repeating previous comments. If you would like to enhance your chances of an A, you may respond to more than one of your classmates' comments, but you can earn an A if you do two quality comments (one original and one response). Please post this second comment by midnight, Monday, October 9, 2006.
Your grade will be based on both of these blog comments considered together.

Choose one (1) of these statements to write about. Explain whether you think Ray Bradbury would agree or disagree with the statement, and support your assertion with specific examples from Fahrenheit 451.

 History books are accurate.
 Television news is accurate.
 Mass media is a good source of information.
 Watching TV is bad.
 People watch too much TV.
 TV programs are realistic.
 Censorship is never justified.
 People must be treated equally.
 We should always seek happiness.
 Governments should always try to make people happy.
 We should always seek peace.
 Governments should do anything to achieve peace.
 People should always obey the law.
 Technology is good.

45 comments:

Cole C said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would disagree with “Governments should always try to make people happy.” I think he would probably say that if governments did anything in their power to make people happy they would get ride of books. Like when he writes about how white people don’t like Uncle Toms Cabin. Burn it. Black people don’t like Little Black Sambo. Burn it.” You can’t make everyone happy.

Erin O said...

*We should always seek happiness.*

I think Ray Bradbury would agree with "We should always seek happiness." I think he would agree with this because in his book Fahrenheit 451 his characters read when they were not suppose to. However, they found happienss in reading and so they kept reading. And, since his characters sought happieness I think, that he believes that statement as well since Montag fought for his happiness and maybe Ray was referring to something that you have to fight for your happiness to be happy.

Phil E said...

"Television news is accurate."

Ray Bradbury would definately disagree with this statement. Towards the end of the book when the government can not catch montag they kill some random bistander and say that they caught Montag. Ray Bradbury believes that the News stations tell the public what they want to hear. He came out and said it clearly. I agree somewhat with him. I think that stories do get changed in the transition the news stations however I do not believe that everything the news tells us is false. Ray Bradbury would definately disagree with the statement.

Cole C said...

I would have to disagree with what Erin said. I don’t think that Ray Bradbury would agree with “we should always seek happiness”. I think he would disagree with it because the government was trying to get rid of books just to make people happy. I think that Ray Bradbury realized that you cant always try to stay happy. I you wanted to always try to be happy people would never get anything done. There would be a lot of chaos, people would be trying to get everything they want, and that just cant happen.

Chris T said...

I would agree with Cole's idea because Ray Bradbury pretty much gave his opinion of government out in this book. Like Cole said, how certain races don't like certain books.

Chris T said...

I would have to agree with Phil because what would happen if everything on the news was false. What would people think of our country. Also if all of the news was false then there wouldn't be any REAL news, which means that anyone could commit a crime and not have their face shown on the news.

Chris T said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would agree that people watch too much TV, because in the book he talks about how all Mildred does is just sit around all day and watch TV. Also why would he put it in the book if he didn't agree?

Marcus P said...

I agree with Phil. I believe Ray Bradbury would disagree with the opinion that the media is a good source or information based on what Granger was telling Montag about the search for him, Montag. the police lost Montag but could not admit it because they would ruin their perfect record and upset the public morale. They found an innocent person and killed him in the intrest of the public. The news today is not always true, with the news reporting everything, even if it is not proven yet. For example, a few days ago there was a story on the radio that gave the listener the impression that Terrell Owens tried to commit suicide. Two days later T.O. stepped out and said he was in the hospital because his painkillers and a daily supplament mixed to form harmful side effects.
This news report proves that not all media is completely accurate.

Emma R said...

Based off of statements and events in the book Fahrenheit 451, I believe that Ray Bradbury would disagree with the statement that television news is accurate. Bradbury displays his distrust and suspicion towards the authenticity of the information announced on the news across the television screen when he displays how well the television programmers know how to manipulate the story told on the televised news to effect and manipulate gullible audiences to believe that good will always triumph (such as in the case of Montage’s fake execution.) I believe that Bradbury is a more suspicious person than most and view more trusting people as being unintelligent for not knowing any better. He displays this view through Mildred when he write about her zombie-like state and her tendencies toward suicidal thought due to her daily routines that make her life a dull haze. Bradbury seems to believe that the people who trust in the honesty of the television have too much faith in mankind and its partner, technology. This book expresses strong feelings of skepticism towards technology when it tells of how unreliable and untrustworthy the mechanical hounds are. I believe that Bradbury would disagree with the statement that all television news is accurate because of his unquestionable display of dislike towards technology and its capability to manipulate the truth.

Josh T said...

“People should always obey the law."

I don’t think that Ray Bradbury would agree to this. I think this because during he gave several examples of how his characters would always break the law. This happens when Montag has a whole attic full of books which is illegal. I think that he would say without laws there would be no news/chaotic-ness. His characters established this when Montag was running from the hound. This shows that he would probably agree with this statement.

Anna L said...

I am agreeing with erin's comment by saying that "we should always seek happiness." I want to respond to this comment because basically the whole book was about finding yourself and happiness. Through-out the baginning of the book, Montag wasn't really that happy until he found what made him happy. Books. Wether it is in a book, or real life, I think that everyone should always seek happiness.

JoyM said...

Ray Bradbury would dissagree that the government should alway try to make people happy. cause casue what the peole want if not based on what is best for the country but what is best for themselfs. An idividuals perspective on things is not takeing the facts most likly, the peprson is not gonna lok up the governments history and find the facts and statistics, but the Gov't will take into considerationt the people of the country and the country as a whole and know the facts as well so the government does not need to always try to make the people happpy.

Christina E. said...

Ray Bradbury would agree that watching t.v. is bad becasue that was all that Millie did. Montag found this very disturbing. Some people become way too consumed with television, ans in this book, even the children learned by watching t.v. I think when Montag says to Millie, "Does the white clown love you?" That he is showing her how pathetic her life is and how boring/dull she has become.

Christina E. said...

I agree with Joy's statement that the government should not try to make everyone happy at all times... this seems highly unlikely to ever happen now or in the future. Whatever the case may be, someone is always unhappy(at least sometimes).

JoyM said...

I like what Chris said about whatching TV to much. The youn genration is constantly on the TV or playing video games, we don't do our homework till late at nightbut we waste our time before that playing games and whatching TV. Our brains need more english and history in then and even more boooks but not TV. and i think Ray bradbury would agree.

Morgan M said...

Well obviously Ray Bradbury would disagree, "People should always obey the law". This is possible one of the main things you could learn from Fahrenheit 451; you shouldn’t always trust your government 100%. It’s your right to question laws, as well as the government. Montag questioned the books; I think Ray Bradbury would have as well.

Marcus P said...

I don't believe that ray Bradbury would think that technology is good in general because in the book it ruined the family life of many families for example, montag's wife considred the people in the parlor family. Also the mechinical hounds were machines used to hunt down criminals, but was abused by the police and used to kill innocent citizens that were used a decoys to make the public feel safe. Maybe Ray would think that technology was good and that the people were bad.

Amber M. said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would agree with the statement, "People watch too much t.v" because in F-451 when they are talking about Montags wife it is always refering to the people on t.v as her relativies. She pays more attention to whats on t.v then her own marriage.

brett V said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would disagree with "mass media is a good sourc of information." If people always believed what the news said then people would have the wrong idea about stuff and they wouldn't get the true story. The news sometimes puts a spin on the real story to make it sound more appealing to the public and sometimes they make up their own story about what really happened.

Amy B said...

People should always obey the law.

I think that Ray Bradbury would most definately disagree with this statement. The book would of not had a plot and a story if he thought that the characters should have always obeyed the law. In the book, books are illegal. But there are few, including Montag who rebel against that. They read and own books, something that is frowned upon in their socitey, and against the law. Which means that that is the main story line. Therefore, Ray Bradbury would disagree with the line people should always obey the law.

Jessica M. said...

"People should always obey the law."
I think that Ray Bradbury would disagree with that because Montag started to disobey the law and read books! The whole book was about Montag not obeying the law and finding out for himeself about the books instead of letting the firemen tell him. Plus the law wasn't the best thing in this situation. It was trying to hide important things from the world!

Amy B said...

I agree with Cole when he said that he thinks that Ray Bradbury would disagree with the statement, "governments should always try to make people happy." At the beginning of the book, I think that they were trying to do so by banning books, so there were no disagreements. Throughout the book, people were starting to question the whole idea of no books and rebelling. If the government tries to keep everyone happy, there will always be conflict, as show in the book between Montag and the whole fire department. Some people liked books, others don't. So with that, it would be impossible for government to make everyone happy of there are two different opinions. As a result, Ray Bradbury would have disagreed with the statement "governments should always try to make people happy” as shown in his book Fahrenheit 451.

Jenn W said...

I agree with what cole said because if the government edid anything in their power to keep people happy then our world would not be the same as it is now. For example in the book the government got rid of all the books to try to keep people happy. Also not everyone is going to agree with what the government does. Even if they are trying to keep people happy, there is always going to be atleast one person that is not happy with the government. So it is impossible to keep everyone happy.

Jenn W said...

*television news is accutate*

I think Ray Bradbury would disagree with this statement. In the book the news made up a fake capture of Montag, to hold their audience and end with a good ending to the show. This was not true because the hound couldn't find Montag so they made up a fake capture to make audiences at home think that they cought him. Because Ray Bradbury made non accurate news in the book i think he would disagree with the statement television news is accurate.

brett V said...

I agree with what Cole said because if the government tried to make everyone happy theres always going to be someone who's unhappy. People complain about not having enough school's or whatever but people always complain about tax's. There's really no way of making everyone happy.

Jeff M said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would disagree with the idea that T.V is bad to watch for a few reasons. First of all because in the book thats all the people in the town knew how to do. They thought that books were bad and television was the best. Thats why he mad Montags wife addicted to the T.V in the story. Also in the book it talks about how there is T.V class in school. Im assuming that is there is a class where are you do is watch T.V that he must have loved to watch T.V himself. I also think that he could be saying this is what he thinks that the future is going to be like. He might see the future as people only watching television instead of reading books. He could possibly believe that at a certain point in time that everyon is going to be resorting the technology rather than books. That is why i disagree that Ray Bradbury dislikes television.

Jeff M said...

I agree with Jenn because if they had to make up something to tell the world then they didnt really know what was going on. So Ray bradbury could possibly be saying that he thinks T.V news isnt accurate and it is just people spreading rumors publicly until they can really find the truth to the story.

Emma R said...

I agree with what Marcus said about Ray Bradbury thinking that people watch too much TV. I believe that Marcus made this point very clear and proved it well when he gave examples of the negative effects TV had on the families of the book's society.

Morgan M said...

Responding to Marcus P: I agree with Marcus to a certain extent, I agree with the fact that technology could in fact change a family however their are several positive things about technology. Ray Bradbury would have to agree that some technology is useful but to much could change your lifestyle and even your family.

Phil E said...

I agree with what Erin said about Ray Bradbury wanting to seek happiness. The whole book is about Montag and his search for happiness.

Erin O said...

I'm agreeing with Cole's comment about "Goverenments should always try to make people" I think that no matter what someone will disagree with what the government thinks or does.

Erin O said...

I'm agreeing with Amy Bs comment i think that ray wouldn't think that due to his characters broke the law and its part of life doing what you want isn't always following the law.

alex c said...

Hmmmm the phrase "we should always seek peace" is, in itself a loose concept but I believe Ray Bradbury would disagree with this statement. For one reason through out the book F451 Guy Montag slowly begins to disrupt his peace in lew of the knowledge of books. Another is that the original society in F451 has acheived a degree of peace where in most everybody is happy and that society is blown to smitheriens in the end (ha, smitheriens is a cool word). Finally he created a perfectly peaceful character that is content with their life: Mildred. She is the ultimate peace, she has no cares, and does what she is told; what is more peaceful than that! However Bradbury writes her persona in such a negative way you end up almost hating her in the end. So although "we should always seek peace" is a very hopeful and light, Ray Brabury, and myself, would agree that it is not always true.

alex c said...

I agree almost fully with phil in that Ray would disagree that telivision news is acurate. Ray had said it very cleary via the guys in the wood when they watched Guys supposed death. However news is a relative concept in the area of determining what is news. News seems to play off of a few main emotions, mostly fear and anger. The reason for this being it ahs been determined that the human brain reacts the strongest to these emotions. So in some way the news gives out information, reliable or not it gets the fact that an event had occured. Even if the facts are scewed sometimes to create a reaction, ultimately to create more viewers, can you tell yourself after you watch the news that an event has happened???

Anna L said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would agree with the comment, "people watch too much TV". I think that he would agree with this because Mildred, in my opinion, watched too much television and she ended up thinking that the characters on TV were a part of her life, or her family. Especially with technology advancing every day, it can be easy to become emmersed in TV when it might be better than how your life really is. I believe that Ray Bradbury made the character Millie to show society that some people do watch too much TV.

Jessica M. said...

I agree with Jenn!!! Ray Bradbury probably wouldn't put something in the book that is meant to be bad that he agrees on. I think the biggest support on "Televisoin News Is Accurate" is the whole thing with them capturing a person that wasn't really Montag! Obviously the news wasn't correct and that is why Ray Bradbury would not agree that TV news is accurate!

Kara M. said...

I agree with Phil. I dont think Ray Bradbury would think that news reports today are acurate. He made points in the book showing that he thought that the news was not real. When Mildred was reading a newspaper there was something about how acurate it was.

Josh T said...

I would agree with Erins idea because when the government band the books. Montag stood up for the ideas of books but was to shy to show. I think that that if Montag would have admitted to liking books it would have brought out another side to people. I think people would agree and they would rebel against the government. I think this would give people a new kind of happiness and bring something new into their lives.

Joshp said...

“Governments should always try to make people happy.”


I think Ray Bradbury would disagree with this for several reasons. One reason would be that in the book Farenheight 451 the fireman job were to burn all books that existed. They did this because the government thought if the people didn’t knows what events happened in the past they would be happy. But I think this would be important to know. It might not make you happy but you should know. In the book Montage took books to read them and then he had the police chase him. Then they made a fake arrest to make people happy thinking he is caught. All in all you the government should not do all they can to make people happy.

Tyler said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would agree with the comment that people watch to much T.V. I think that he would agree that T.V. is taking over our lives and is one of the things that means the most to us which I personally think is pathetic. When hes always talking about how Millie is talking about how the T.V. is her family which is showing that it is very imprtant to her. Also when Montag asks Mille if she loves him more than the T.V. is another example of the role of T.V. in our lives then and now.

Tyler said...

I agree with what Cole says about that the government cant't make everyone happy. I liked his example but one i feel is eaiser to understand is that there are always people with apposing views. If one man said they all the buildings in a town should have 3 windows, there will always be somwone who wants 4 windows and it's impossible to make them both happy so the government does what it can but it wont ever be perfect like Pleasantville.As soon as something new comes along there will be people who like it and don't like it.

Lacey C said...

I think that Ray Bradbury would not agree with “Governments should always try to make people happy.” He would probaly think that the government should tell the truth, because no matter what they can't make everyone happy. The government would have a hard time with this because of all the differnet religions and race's. If they wanted to make everyone happy then they would have to get rid of some religions and race's, which would make other people who didn't get killed mad because they had friends or loved ones in the people that got killed. It would be a big mess if the government tried to please everyone. It just isn't possible it is always 50/50 each decision that you make someone will agree with it and another will disagree. People are just to different to have everyone be happy.

Lacey C said...

I agree with Erin O. I think that Ray Bradbury would agree with "We should always seek happiness." I think he would agree with it because, you don't always have to be normal or fallow the rules to be happy. I think that in his book Fahrenheit 451 he shows very good examples on this. At the begging of the book there is a young girl and she wasn’t normal but she was still very happy. She didn’t watch T.V like everyone else or stay inside all the time. She liked to walk around and enjoy things that we natural rather than out of a T.V. Also the main character didn’t follow the rules he started to read books like others who were punished for it. While he was reading like the others who got in trouble he found happiness.

kyle said...

I think that Ray Bradburry would say that people watch too much t.v. because some people's lives our controlled by T.v. It's like the sea shells that people they wear in the book to hear the t.v. it is like ear muffs so we can only hear that and nothing else and some people put t.v. information to literally.

kyle said...

I agree with Cole becasue if the governemtn tried to make everybody happy, our government would fail. Take the war for example, if he tried to make people happy by coming out, he would make other un happy which then they wouldn't know what to do